From georgegabrielhara at fastmail.fm Sat Jul 5 11:50:53 2008 From: georgegabrielhara at fastmail.fm (George Hara) Date: Sat Jul 5 11:51:28 2008 Subject: [e-gold-list] TrueCrypt 6 Message-ID: truecrypt.org Many new features in TrueCrypt 6: * Parallelized encryption/decryption on multi-core processors (or multi-processor systems). Increase in encryption/decryption speed is directly proportional to the number of cores and/or processors. For example, if your computer has a quad-core processor, encryption and decryption will be four times faster than on a single-core processor with equivalent specifications (likewise, it will be twice faster on dual-core processors, etc.) [View benchmark results] * Ability to create and run an encrypted hidden operating system whose existence is impossible to prove (provided that certain guidelines are followed). For more information, see the section Hidden Operating System. (Windows Vista/XP/2008/2003) For security reasons, when a hidden operating system is running, TrueCrypt ensures that all local unencrypted filesystems and non-hidden TrueCrypt volumes are read-only. (Data is allowed to be written to filesystems within hidden TrueCrypt volumes.) Note: We recommend that hidden volumes are mounted only when a hidden operating system is running. For more information, see the subsection Security Precautions Pertaining to Hidden Volumes. * On Windows Vista and Windows 2008, it is now possible to encrypt an entire system drive even if it contains extended/logical partitions. (Note that this is not supported on Windows XP.) * New volume format that increases reliability, performance and expandability: o Each volume created by this or later versions of TrueCrypt will contain an embedded backup header (located at the end of the volume). Note that it is impossible to mount a volume when its header is damaged (the header contains an encrypted master key). Therefore, embedded backup headers significantly reduce this risk. For more information, see the subsection Tools > Restore Volume Header. Note: If the user fails to supply the correct password (and/or keyfiles) twice in a row when trying to mount a volume, TrueCrypt will automatically try to mount the volume using the embedded backup header (in addition to trying to mount it using the primary header) each subsequent time that the user attempts to mount the volume (until he or she clicks Cancel). If TrueCrypt fails to decrypt the primary header and then decrypts the embedded backup header successfully (with the same password and/or keyfiles), the volume is mounted and the user is warned that the volume header is damaged (and informed as to how to repair it). o The size of the volume header area has been increased to 128 KB. This will allow implementation of new features and improvements in future versions and ensures that performance will not be impaired when a TrueCrypt volume is stored on a file system or device that uses a sector size greater than 512 bytes (the start of the data area will always be aligned with the start of a host-filesystem/physical sector). For more information about the new volume format, see the section TrueCrypt Volume Format Specification. Note: Volumes created by previous versions of TrueCrypt can be mounted using this version of TrueCrypt. * Parallelized header key derivation on multi-core processors (one algorithm per core/thread). As a result, mounting is several times faster on multi-core processors. (Windows) * Ability to create hidden volumes under Mac OS X and Linux. * On Linux, TrueCrypt now uses native kernel cryptographic services (by default) for volumes encrypted in XTS mode. This increases read/write speed in most cases. However, the FUSE driver must still be used when the volume is encrypted in a deprecated mode of operation (LRW or CBC), or when mounting an outer volume with hidden-volume protection, or when using an old version of the Linux kernel that does not support XTS mode. (Linux) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: e-gold-list@kobly.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-e-gold-list-512001C@talk.e-gold.com Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses. From autochange at Safe-mail.net Thu Jul 17 00:34:17 2008 From: autochange at Safe-mail.net (autochange@Safe-mail.net) Date: Thu Jul 17 00:34:57 2008 Subject: [e-gold-list] About cyberica, u2planet etc Message-ID: As cyberica/u2planet advertised on this list some time ago, I send this message here as it is impossible to receive a reply from them, AND to get the access to a domain name I registered with them. I am trying to renew a domain name that expires soon. Tried to login into u2planet.com (where I registered the DN about a year ago): Login/pass did not work. I sent an online message, received a validation link to validate my account. Strange as I already registered a DN there... Anyway this link tries to connect to u2planet.com, and this domain is always down. I sent a new message through their website and the reply was THE SAME LINK - that does not work. Moreover there are a lot of dead links on their websites, they switch between .com, .net, .info and .ws, and either the domains are down, either the page does not exist! Really professional. My question is double: 1- Has anybody an EMAIL contact of these "professionals" (!)? There is no email at all nowhere. 2- I decided to move my domain to a more serious registrar but need the "authorization code" for this. How can I get it without access to the domain control panel? And an additional question: Where can I write a complain about this registrar, concerning the fact that they do not give the possibility to access the domain name? Than you --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: e-gold-list@kobly.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-e-gold-list-512001C@talk.e-gold.com Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses. From autochange at Safe-mail.net Thu Jul 17 21:53:40 2008 From: autochange at Safe-mail.net (autochange@Safe-mail.net) Date: Thu Jul 17 21:54:52 2008 Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: About cyberica, u2planet etc Message-ID: Hi! > Your best bet would appear to be filling out the form here: > http://cyberfrontier.net/pages/contacts.htm LOL I already did it. Result is: ******* FrontPage Error. User: please report details to this site's webmaster. Webmaster: please see the server's application event log for more details. ******* Great, hey!!! > I would give them a chance at the above link. If they don't respond > after some time, contact their domain wholesaler, ItsYourdomain.com > and let them know your problem. GREAT, thank you, I will contact them. But at least I received a reply from these "professionals": Just appreciate it: **************************** Insulting us for your technical shortcomings is not going to get you anywhere. Apparently your own browser settings made it impossible for the links to work properly. In any case, we have now manually enabled your account and you can login with password: [removed] If you want to move your domain name to another registrar, then please provide us with your valid contact details so that we can change your privacy registration before the domain is transferred. After all, it would be illegal for you to use our contact details at another registrar. By the way, how do you want to complain to ICANN? The domain name is in our name? Just wondering? Cheers, RdCZ ****************************** So in other words, they say it is now THEIR domain and that I should be happy if they would agree that I get it back! I won't even reply about their comments on my browser that makes their domain not work, it shows their great competence! About the contact details, I perfectly remember I entered them when I registered the domain and u2planet themseles put a "privacy option". So now they say that because of this, the domain is their? Their upstream provider will be happy to listen this. Well I will try to recover MY domain from these scammers, let's see! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: e-gold-list@kobly.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-e-gold-list-512001C@talk.e-gold.com Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses. From eternulo at gmail.com Fri Jul 18 07:50:17 2008 From: eternulo at gmail.com (Ian Green) Date: Fri Jul 18 07:51:16 2008 Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: About cyberica, u2planet etc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >From their e-mail they are not saying they own the domain. They are saying that, until they confirm the correct contact details for the domain to be changed to it can't be transferred, otherwise it would be in their name, and until those details are changed you wouldn't be technically able to start a complaint with ICANN. When I have registered domains I have looked at "privacy" options, but have never chosen them. When you choose the "privacy" option you are legally subleasing the domain you chose and you make Cyberfrontier the legal owner of that domain, by your own choice. However, you have a contract with Cyberfrontier that gives you rights over the domain that they hold on your behalf. You are relying on the honour of a company such as Cyberfrontier to treat you as the true owner of the domain although other people, such as spammers and marketers will not be able to know that it is you who are the true owners of the domain. CF knows that you own the domain, but that ownership is only provable through your contract with Cyberfrontier. That being said, I am sure that Cyberfrontier will act honourably although you have had difficulty contacting them. Certainly that has been my experience, and I well remember when I tried over and over again to e-mail them some years ago, only to find that they no longer used e-mail at all, due to the spam overload of their e-mail system. I had to go through their online communication system. I think I even had to change browsers in order to get through, because their digital certificate was self-signed. So if it didn't work in Mozilla I had to go back to Internet Explorer, for example. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: e-gold-list@kobly.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-e-gold-list-512001C@talk.e-gold.com Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses. From lanieves at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 02:30:39 2008 From: lanieves at gmail.com (Larry Nieves) Date: Tue Jul 22 02:31:08 2008 Subject: [e-gold-list] e-gold pleads guilty of money laundering charges Message-ID: ?E-Gold, an Internet-based payment service, and three owners have pleaded guilty to criminal charges related to money laundering, the U.S. Department of Justice said Monday.? http://gata.org/node/6440 The DoJ press release is here: http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2008/July/08-crm-635.html >From a first read it appears the gov guys don't want to shut down e-gold, but to put it under the same regulations all banks operate. -- Larry Alex?nder Nieves Colmen?rez El Liberal Venezolano http://liberal-venezolano.net/blog/ GPG Public Key: 0x1525843C Key Fingerprint = 76D0 2DA1 ADA8 11EF 661B FEE2 923C 050F 1525 843C gpg --recv-keys 0x1525843C --keyserver hkp://wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: e-gold-list@kobly.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-e-gold-list-512001C@talk.e-gold.com Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses. From 1 at 234.cx Tue Jul 22 08:54:55 2008 From: 1 at 234.cx (Pete Chown) Date: Tue Jul 22 08:55:32 2008 Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: e-gold pleads guilty of money laundering charges Message-ID: Larry Nieves wrote: > ?E-Gold, an Internet-based payment service, and three owners have > pleaded guilty to criminal charges related to money laundering, the U.S. > Department of Justice said Monday.? There is a post on the e-gold blog about this, too: http://blog.e-gold.com/2008/07/a-new-beginning.html The blog post forgot to mention the guilty pleas, instead saying that the criminal case had been "resolved". In their own interest, e-gold should stop spinning like this; we will find out what really happened soon enough. It's frustrating because I really believe that the e-gold founders are honest, and the guilty pleas don't change that. There is no need for spin, we are perfectly capable of distinguishing between you and the criminals who used e-gold in spite of your efforts. I would hate to think of any e-gold founders getting the sentences the DoJ talk about, so I hope the case has in fact been resolved, by a plea agreement that avoids anyone doing jail time. It's also interesting that, because of the guilty pleas, the questions about the definition of money are still not resolved. Citibank is a money transmitter because it transfers dollar balances. E-gold is a money transmitter because it transfers interests in gold. Well, a jeweller's shop also transfers interests in gold -- is that a money transmitter? What about eBay, which transfers interests in all sorts of things? > From a first read it appears the gov guys don't want to shut down > e-gold, but to put it under the same regulations all banks operate. Yes and actually I think this could help e-gold become more mainstream. Revolutions are unusual, at least in the West. Western societies tend to change by baby steps, and they are changed by people who are close to the political consensus. Imagine a scenario where people wish to invest in gold, as a hedge against the bad economic situation. Here is e-gold, now with government approval and hence the approval of people who trust the government. They invest through e-gold -- but then they find that they can spend it without converting it back to dollars first... A few questions regarding the blog post: 1. What happens to the accounts that were frozen over the past couple of years? In particular, do the 1MDC people get their money back? While 1MDC was probably too anonymous for the government's liking, it also paid the e-gold storage fees, and that probably attracted a lot of perfectly honest users. 2. The change to the e-gold user agreement has a mistake, doesn't it? It says I can't use e-gold in a way that violates the laws of my jurisdiction. Surely you also want to prohibit uses of e-gold which violate American law. I'm sure you don't mean to say that I, as a Brit, can use e-gold in a way that violates American law -- provided I obey English law. 3. I like the idea of having one login but multiple accounts. As well as making the system more resistant to abuse, it will make multiple accounts more convenient to handle. However, how will you deal with accounts that are legitimately shared? For example, suppose I had a private account, and also access to the account of an unincorporated society. The society account might need to be accessible to other committee members, but my personal account would be restricted to me. Will there be a mechanism allowing an e-gold account to be attached to two logins? 4. Will corporations have their own login, given that they have separate legal personality, or will their accounts be attached to the logins of their officers? To my mind, the latter would make more sense, because otherwise the officers are forced to share one password. (They would be forced to share one password under the present system, I suppose, but this seems sub-optimal.) Good luck! Pete --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: e-gold-list@kobly.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-e-gold-list-512001C@talk.e-gold.com Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses. From vikingcoder at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 09:02:39 2008 From: vikingcoder at gmail.com (Viking Coder) Date: Tue Jul 22 09:03:17 2008 Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: e-gold pleads guilty of money laundering charges In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This news item has just landed on Slashdot. http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/22/1434246 Viking Coder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: e-gold-list@kobly.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-e-gold-list-512001C@talk.e-gold.com Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses. From davidson at net1.net Tue Jul 22 14:32:04 2008 From: davidson at net1.net (Jim Davidson) Date: Tue Jul 22 14:32:54 2008 Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: e-gold pleads guilty of money laundering charges In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Pete, I believe there are limits to what a defendant in a criminal case of this sort can, or should, say about it. To say that the criminal charges have been resolved is just as accurate as saying that there has been a plea agreement entered. To say that everyone knows what to expect next week, next month, and next year would be to assume facts not in evidence - no one has a crystal ball. Personally, I believe e-gold's statement is accurate, and the rather extreme maximum sentencing guidelines which are reported in the press release are puffery, at best. If the government's press relations system did not emphasise the most dire possible consequence for every conceivable class of criminal, many in the noxious "law and order" segment of the population would think that the din of government was not sounding right. A plea agreement is intended to resolve the criminal case, and I would anticipate whatever is in the e-gold statement was very, very carefully vetted by e-gold's legal team. If they could have said things another way without creating any more difficulty, perhaps they would have done. I had the pleasure of speaking with Doug Jackson briefly today. Without saying anything about what was said, I would give a character of his mood as carefully upbeat. He is obviously concerned with what is not yet known about what to expect, without being overwhelmed about it. I think he is very cognizant of the way the current situation affects the e-gold users, the merchants who rely on e-gold as a payment system, and the rest of the digital gold industry. He is obviously also aware of the government's position on the case at hand. Nobody can be sure what is going to happen, but I think there is no reason to expect a really unpleasant result. The e-gold principals have no prior criminal record, there is a longstanding pattern of complete cooperation with turning over of records, complying with subpoenae and warrants, and generally making information available even beyond what might ordinarily be expected. I am aware of extensive reasons to suppose that e-gold pursues criminal wrongdoing very thoroughly. > enough. It's frustrating because I really believe that the e-gold > founders are honest, and the guilty pleas don't change that. I believe that, as well. Indeed, I think the ways in which the "criminal justice system" deals with people, most especially with merchants, represents a completely psychotic anti-property world-view that was fashionable in the last century and which is completely mistaken in many ways. A great many of the laws are written by legislators who have hateful views on the idea of private property and on the merits of individual liberty. It often appears that many prosecutors have equally grim views on the concepts of free market economics. > money transmitter because it transfers interests in gold. Well, a > jeweller's shop also transfers interests in gold -- is that a money > transmitter? The rules that the Treasury Department promulgated on this point seem fairly clear, to me. A jewelry store that buys gold from the public and sells gold to the public, and does more than $50,000 of business per year, is in effect a money transmitter. The precious metals value of palladium or platinum in catalytic converters creates a similar situation for car dealers. One way to avoid tipping this scale is to note that the jewelry store that buys from wholesalers and never buys from the public is not a money transmitter. In theory, at least, this would be true of any gold retailer that sells gold to the public but does not buy gold from the public. > What about eBay, which transfers interests in all sorts of > things? The eBay company operates PayPal which is a direct transmitter of money. You should believe they are registered. > Yes and actually I think this could help e-gold become more mainstream. > Revolutions are unusual, at least in the West. Western societies tend to > change by baby steps, and they are changed by people who are close to the > political consensus. Technological change is not something that Western societies have any monopoly upon. One of the obvious difficulties for the USA government is a lack of any meaningful control over information flow across borders. This has become very notable in the online gambling fiasco caused by the 2006 "Safe Harbors" act. A number of trade delegations are currently pursuing all manner of grievances about how their people are treated in this bizarre pogrom against online gambling. The USA's position is completely nuts. And, I think the e-gold case further cements the view now prevalent that innovations in online payments are going to happen in Russia, or Malaysia, or New Zealand, but not in the USA. Which, given how similar Doug Jackson is to Alexander Graham Bell, is something of a shame. > 1. What happens to the accounts that were frozen over the past couple of > years? In particular, do the 1MDC people get their money back? I believe there is a process for getting gold assets which were seized to be returned to their owners. That process has been initiated by the Liberty Dollar people with regard to the gold and silver for which the paper warehouse receipts were redeemable. I would suggest that one path forward for 1MDC users would be for them to form a group, hire a law firm like the one that now represents the Liberty Dollar people, and pursue a recovery. I have been talking to quite a few people about whether this idea might be feasible. > violate American law. I'm sure you don't mean to say that I, as a Brit, > can use e-gold in a way that violates American law -- provided I obey > English law. Well, you can almost certainly use it to buy into an online gambling site without violating British law. It is not at all clear whether e-gold wants to agree to enforce USA law against non-USA persons. There may also be a question of whether it could, were it to seek to do so. > Will there be a mechanism allowing an e-gold account to be attached to > two logins? This upgrade has been contemplated for many years, I believe. Regards, Jim --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: e-gold-list@kobly.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-e-gold-list-512001C@talk.e-gold.com Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses. From 1 at 234.cx Wed Jul 23 08:44:32 2008 From: 1 at 234.cx (Pete Chown) Date: Wed Jul 23 08:45:02 2008 Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: e-gold pleads guilty of money laundering charges Message-ID: Hi Jim, > I believe there are limits to what a defendant in a criminal case of > this sort can, or should, say about it. I wouldn't know -- plea bargains are illegal here. > To say that the criminal charges have been resolved is just as accurate > as saying that there has been a plea agreement entered. Of course it was accurate to say that the criminal charges had been resolved. That's why I said it was "spin" rather than "a lie". > Personally, I believe e-gold's statement is accurate, and the rather > extreme maximum sentencing guidelines which are reported in the press > release are puffery, at best. That's quite encouraging. It's probably easier for you to read between the lines, as an American! > I believe that, as well. Indeed, I think the ways in which the > "criminal justice system" deals with people, most especially with > merchants, represents a completely psychotic anti-property world-view > that was fashionable in the last century and which is completely > mistaken in many ways. Yes -- one of the worrying things is the rise of victimless crimes. E- gold seems to be accused of not registering as a money transmitter, for example. Something has gone wrong when you can go to jail for not filling out a piece of paper. > The rules that the Treasury Department promulgated on this point seem > fairly clear, to me. A jewelry store that buys gold from the public and > sells gold to the public, and does more than $50,000 of business per > year, is in effect a money transmitter. The precious metals value of > palladium or platinum in catalytic converters creates a similar > situation for car dealers. Wow... Obviously I'm remembering the story wrong, then. I thought the argument was that e-gold didn't have to register as a money transmitter, because it dealt only with gold, and to the government gold is not money. What if it isn't jewellery that you deal with? What if I started "e- blackgold" which would allow people to buy goods in exchange for oil futures, for example? In fact, all sorts of commodities could be used as money. All you need is something that has a liquid market, so you know the value of your holding. How is the government going to distinguish between barter and money transmission? > And, I think the e-gold case further > cements the view now prevalent that innovations in online payments are > going to happen in Russia, or Malaysia, or New Zealand, but not in the > USA. You're probably right, and sadly I don't think innovation will be happening here in Britain either. We didn't buy into the online gambling ban, but apart from that we have similar levels of paranoia about money laundering. > I would suggest that one path forward for 1MDC users would be for them > to form a group, hire a law firm like the one that now represents the > Liberty Dollar people, and pursue a recovery. I have been talking to > quite a few people about whether this idea might be feasible. Good luck! I seem to remember that there were people with substantial balances in 1MDC, so I hope you do get them back. Even if 1MDC had committed a crime, the people who deposited funds with them hadn't (in general at least). > Well, you can almost certainly use it to buy into an online gambling > site without violating British law. That's right, and I wonder how safe e-gold is, as the American company which is caught in the middle. Using e-gold to finance trade with Cuba would be another (contrived) example. Perfectly legal for me, but it might be illegal for e-gold to help me. Pete --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: e-gold-list@kobly.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-e-gold-list-512001C@talk.e-gold.com Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses. From davidson at net1.net Wed Jul 23 09:45:58 2008 From: davidson at net1.net (Jim Davidson) Date: Wed Jul 23 09:48:39 2008 Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: e-gold pleads guilty of money laundering charges In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Pete, > I wouldn't know -- plea bargains are illegal here. That is probably a sensible thing. Then again the UK under the current Labor gov't has gone in for many weeks of detention without anything like due process, so it is not all good. > the lines, as an American! It doesn't hurt to call up the principals and chat, either. > Yes -- one of the worrying things is the rise of victimless crimes. E- > gold seems to be accused of not registering as a money transmitter, for > example. Something has gone wrong when you can go to jail for not > filling out a piece of paper. The wonder of it is that Omnipay applied to be a licensed money transmitter on more than one occasion and were flat refused a license, just as you say, on the grounds that e-gold was not money. It is an extremely perverted system and nothing like justice is available here. It would be one thing if one made an act of omission, or of commission, and there were some intent. It is quite another when you can't be free whether you omit or commit, whether you comply or refuse. It is just a vicious mess. > Wow... Obviously I'm remembering the story wrong, then. I thought the > argument was that e-gold didn't have to register as a money transmitter, > because it dealt only with gold, and to the government gold is not money. It isn't so much the gold as the buying and selling. It is the making a market in both directions which creates the issue with the Treasury rules. Obviously, there are plenty of reasons to think these rules aren't constitutional, but the gov't has a lot of power to beat up on people who would dare to oppose them, so there is no question that we have difficulty evaluating whether unjust laws are also unconstitutional, as the jackbooted scum simply kick human faces over and over again forever. Nobody has the resources to oppose the government. > What if it isn't jewellery that you deal with? What if I started "e- > blackgold" which would allow people to buy goods in exchange for oil > futures, for example? In fact, all sorts of commodities could be used as > money. All you need is something that has a liquid market, so you know > the value of your holding. How is the government going to distinguish > between barter and money transmission? I don't think this gov't cares to make any distinctions. It is not a learned crowd that surrounds GW Bush. It is a vicious crowd of brutal thugs who can lie with a straight face about water boarding not being torture, in spite of the fact that this gov't is the successor in direct line to the gov't that convicted and executed a Japanese officer for waterboarding American POWs in WW2. Yes, if you make a market in both directions for black gold, you are transmitting money, in the eyes of the gov't of the USA. It doesn't have to be logical. It doesn't have to make sense. In fact, if it starts to make sense, you should probably get your mind checked out, or take a long hot bath or something. The war on terror has nothing to do with terrorists, it has to do with Americans. The war on some drugs has nothing to do with foreign drug merchants, it has to do with Americans. These are both wars on the American people. In a country that treated its written constitution with some pride, let alone anything like actual reverence, the people involved in prosecuting these wars on the American people would be tried and executed for treason. It is, in fact, treason to make war on the United States, or to give aid and comfort to its enemies. I wrote rather extensively about the nature of this treason here: http://www.reasontofreedom.com/blog/jim_davidson/cheney_commits_treason.html "The Bush and Cheney regime is levying war against the American people. The Bush and Cheney "covert" operations in Iran are giving military and financial aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States - enemies the Bush/Cheney administration itself has identified. Their own state department says these guys are terrorists, and they say the country is in a war on terror." > You're probably right, and sadly I don't think innovation will be > happening here in Britain either. We didn't buy into the online gambling > ban, but apart from that we have similar levels of paranoia about money > laundering. I suspect that Russia and Malaysia may have scored quite the coup with this USA self-inflicted injury. The other obvious thing to recognise is that there is far more technological prowess on the side of anti-gov't than on the side of gov't. Encryption is completely out of control. The Internet is completely out of control. And, both are key to the limping survival of the economy, so neither can be shut down. Take together, with the protocols George Hara has written about for audit work, and with the existing digital bearer instruments, the technologists win. The gov't won't be able to control private exchange of value from person to person. They'll hate it, they'll kill a lot of us because of it, but it is inevitable. They have made way too many enemies by being persistently against freedom. > Good luck! I seem to remember that there were people with substantial > balances in 1MDC, so I hope you do get them back. Even if 1MDC had > committed a crime, the people who deposited funds with them hadn't (in > general at least). I have already been contacted by more people. It is going to be fun! > That's right, and I wonder how safe e-gold is, as the American company > which is caught in the middle. Using e-gold to finance trade with Cuba > would be another (contrived) example. Perfectly legal for me, but it > might be illegal for e-gold to help me. I think the perverse nature of the American legal system is that it is illegal to do anything, and it is also illegal to do nothing. There is no way to know what your legal obligations are, and even if, as with OmniPay and Doug Jackson, you go to great lengths to comply with the laws, apply for the necessary licenses, and do your part in the war against crime - against actual theft of property or actual assault on persons - as Doug clearly has done - you still get screwed. The government hates innovation, the government hates freedom, the gov't hates American values like private property and individual liberty. The people who run the USA government are the worst sort of authoritarian slime. They are socialists. They are fascists. They are totalitarians. All of us are criminals to them. They will kidnap us, torture us, rape us, murder us, and tell each other that we had it coming. Worst of all, the American people, judging by the popularity of thug television shows, are great admirers of law and order. Almost German in their desire for "arbeit macht frei" levels of abuse. http://ncc-1776.org/tle2008/tle476-20080713-02.html "The simple fact of the matter is that police officers make a living beating people up and killing them?or threatening to do so." "see for yourself how many of these thug shows are on TV these days. There's at least a couple every night. If you add forensic programs like CSI and Bones (both of which I confess to liking very much) and pile on endless reruns of authoritarian garbage like COPS, they utterly dominate the mass medium, displacing better shows. " Regards, Jim --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: e-gold-list@kobly.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-e-gold-list-512001C@talk.e-gold.com Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses. From boeyong at yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 06:06:10 2008 From: boeyong at yahoo.com (Boeyong Promotions) Date: Thu Jul 31 06:06:44 2008 Subject: [e-gold-list] Can anyone help with a private exchange? Message-ID: Hi I am looking for someone to exchange either Paypal with my E-gold (worldwide) or cash deposit into my bank account (Malaysia only - preferably Kuala Lumpur residents) If anyone is keen, please contact me at either boeyong@yahoo.com or YM me at "boeyong" After so many years of continuing to search for a reliable card that can enable me to deposit egold and withdraw at ATMs (I have given up looking for a VISA/MasterCard branded card and gave up using a virtual card account - too expensive and non-renewable after a max 2 years), I am still optimistic that someday I will find one that will suit me best. If anyone on this list can direct me to a card that he/she already use for more than 2 years with no trouble and is renewable, (and CHEAP), I would like to hear from you. Thanks. I now have access to Paypal but sometimes I have customers in Europe and African nations who can only pay me in E-gold. David Boey --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: e-gold-list@kobly.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-e-gold-list-512001C@talk.e-gold.com Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.